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Another sign that Ravi Zacharias has gone to the contemplatives/missional/disciplines side of things…

I read an article today linking a youtube video.  In the video, Ravi refers to Henri Nouwen very positively (about 6 minutes in).  So, what are Christians to do about the leaders of the church, many loved and respected, who show themselves influenced by these contemplatives and/or downright New Age change agent authors?  I know we must pray, check ourselves to see if we are sinning.  This is for sure.  We need to also pray and ask God about our situation.  Are we to confront, speak out, or something else?  I think we need to be very wise, and rely on the Holy Spirit for guidance.  Anyone have an opportunity to ask Ravi questions in a forum?  I say someone needs to ask him about prayer or something in a pointed and careful way just as Christ would.  He’s one who might see the error of what he has been promoting, maybe?  I personally want to get in to the Bible Answer Man and call with a prayer question, and ask specifically about his opinion of some of these authors while on line.  I think we should be kind and loving, but also wise…as serpents…gentle as doves (please site the verse for me and make sure I’m not misquoting or taking out of context here…). 

I truly love Ravi Zacharias though I’ve never met him.  I pray for him and his family, and his ministry.  Maybe God will put someone in his path that he can listen to on this issue.

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I just read an article on the Lighthouse Trails Research page (look at my blog roll and you can find a link to that page for interesting reading all around).  It mentions that everyone is talking about “the silence” or “be still.”  I’ve noted that the youth organization in our area has ignatius prayer links to teach meditative silent prayer (with breathing exercises and the like).  The article on the Lighthouse Trails site is so good, I’m encouraging people to read it and see how “Christian” authors are actually in parallel with New Age authors.  When groups line up so well, this shows a similar influence is possible…and in fact, because many of the “Christian” authors influencing our churches today quote some of the New Age authors, even some Buddist or Hindu authors…we can be sure the influence is the same.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=1209&c=1

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A national conference for youthworkers is holding special sessions to “connect with God.”  These include the following:

  • Liturgical Prayer Services
  • Prayer of Examen (I believe this is Ignatius Prayer…again with the breathing)
  • Stations of the Cross
  • Centering Prayer (also called contemplative prayer which involves breathing exercises)
  • Icons
  • Lectio Divina (which includes repeating a word or phrase over and over again

Youth workers all over the country are promised a great deal at this conference.

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This comment comes up when we run into friends from church.  We’re honest, and we say we’ve left.  Usually that is followed by the awkward, “uhmmmm, can I ask why?”  I personally now have a faster answer that is not so…whispered.  I simply say, “the pastor’s sermons have gotten to the point where they are using strange new age terms.  Also, if you research what transformation, spiritual formation, and other terms they use mean you might find some things that aren’t Biblical involved.”  That says enough.  I usually get a blank stare.   One friend the other day said, “well, I’ll be listening carefully then.”  That’s the answer I hope for.  Not the “we’ll leave right away” but “I’ll pay attention.”  It’s much better not to follow someone blindly trusting, but to look and listen for yourself and see if the person is saying something correct and true.

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Pepperdine University Bible Lectures go contemplative.  Doesn’t surprise me to hear this as the guest speaker at the church we attended today mentioned taking his daughter to this.  This is reported by Lighthouse Trails Research http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=1190&more=1&c=1.

While you’re at it, if you click on the link below to see that Ravi is rubbing shoulders with some interesting folks.  Hopefully, he’s going to respond to people who contact him positively by either speaking out against contemplative OR he’s going to refuse to speak there AND then he’ll speak out against contemplative. 

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=1189&more=1&c=1

 

Ugh.  Not Ravi.

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“Proclaim the gospel that sinful man needs a Savior and know that salvation is:

Through faith alone

in Christ alone

only by God’s grace

as revealed in scripture alone

to the glory of God alone”

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9:40-12:00 Central Time

 

http://www.calvarychapeljoco.com/index2.htm

 

Still going and it’s past 12:00.  Another pastor is speaking…

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There will be a leadership conference with online access for listening. 

 

Here’s the link:

http://www.calvarychapeljoco.com/index2.htm

 

 

P.A.L.  (Pastor’s and Leader’s) Conference
Location:  Calvary Chapel Johnson County
Dates: Thursday, August 7th, 6:30-9:00pm
           Friday, August 8th, 8am-8pm, with breakfast, lunch, and dinner
           Saturday, August 9th, 7am-1pm, with breakfast and lunch
           Sunday June 10th, 10am Service
Speaker & Author:  Ray Yungen ‘A Time of Departing’
Speaker & Author:  Warren Smith ‘Deceived on Purpose’
Pastor/Teacher: Xavier Ries, Calvary Chapel Pasadena
CLICK HERE for Daily Schedule
Cost:  Free will, Love offering

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herescope response

We believe you will find very practical and helpful information at Berit Kjos’s website www.crossroad.to which covers a great deal of material on church transformation issues. She has heard from many people who are in your situation and offers some practical insights.

We tell people that it is a matter of personal conviction and conscience, and should be a matter of prayer and seeking the Lord. If there is a door open to speak — gently and meekly, but without compromising the truth — then the Lord may have you warn. The series we ran on Herescope called “Contentiously Contending” by Pastor Anton Bosch may provide some helpful quidelines.
We have known of some people who simply had to leave without being able to speak to the leaders, due to various problems or obstacles. 
The more you can research on these “emergent” patterns, the better “armed” you will be with information and knowledge. Unfortunately many of these pastors were trained by Leadership Network (or related groups) in how to be deceptive in this transformation process. Many pastors have been trained as “change agents” and they will not be easy to speak to. Even if you have much information factually, it may be difficult personally because of how you are treated by them. And recall that Rick Warren told pastors to adopt Peter Drucker’s model of “abandon” those who don’t go along with change in your organization. So these churches going through transition leading to transformation will often be very happy to get rid of the old “fundamentalists” who may oppose their new plans. 

The Discernment Research Group

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