Hubby was speaking with someone who mentioned our former church. He stated some issues that had been going on in the leadership, and it’s amazing how a bunch of men can line up behind a bad leader and basically support him despite his horrible behavior. They can do something unethical, and as a group, break a promise. I am glad I wasn’t anywhere near when this corporate decision was made, and I am so glad we left when we did. Ugh. I am noting that even when we don’t want to know things about our former church, there are people still sharing awful stories. There is a theme too, it has to do with leadership. Time and again, leadership.
Posts Tagged ‘bad fruit’
Still glad we left…
Posted in Uncategorized, tagged bad fruit, leadership, leaving a church on May 4, 2011| 2 Comments »
Query about “Bashing Ministries that God is Blessing”
Posted in Uncategorized, tagged bad fruit, blessings, emergent, good fruit, ministry, Rick Warren, seeker friendly, truth, warrenite churches on December 29, 2009| 1 Comment »
I recieved this very good question and thought I would open it up to get some answers from people more experienced than I.
“My question to you is…When we talk to friends about the situation with seeker sens/emergent etc….ie Rick warren etc. we are constantly told that we shouldn’t be bashing ministries that God is blessing. How can I argue with that?? What should be my answer???
Hope someone out there can answer this for me??”
My answer simply is that numbers in the pews (or whatever) and activity in a church is not proof of salvation. Even acts of service is not proof of salvation. A blessed ministry can have many attenders, or it can have very few. A church may also not be blessed and can still be doing the right thing. What about all those who followed God with faith in the past who experienced no growth, no following, and who were persecuted and tested? What about Job…no blessing at one point in his life, in fact curses upon curses. You just don’t know God’s will. Your church may be full of people out there rebuilding their community. How is that different than the local political action group who is out there getting jobs for people and feeding the hungry? You know, if you offer free stuff people will come. Will their hearts be changed? Depends on if you are offering the message correctly, depends on if there is faith and if God is in it. We don’t know God is in it because things look good (though as Christians we’re often guilty of making those claims).
Okay, I’m rambling a bit. Anyone out there with a more coherant response to this one?