I haven’t had a chance to listen to this but I wanted to share what happened on Sunday morning in our church. One of the worship ministry people read part of a chapter in The Shack. My husband and I were in shock! This is happening so fast, I can’t believe it! I am also feeling kind of separated from some of our friends.
I am so sorry this is happening, it’s terrible. I know what you mean about feeling seperated from friends. We chose not to speak to too many about what was happening. A few we did choose to share with “got it” but a VERY few. Most looked bewildered and seemed to have certain lines they all used to defend the church and what was going on. Our pastor actually mentioned the Shack from the pulpit long ago (old church again) and didn’t share what was in it…just mentioned. This happened with questionable books over and over again. They also quoted emergent/emerging/seeker friendly/contemplative stuff all the time.
I do love the new pastor’s sermons right now…very much. Also, the pastor has been in John since January. It’s a series on John and we’re in August…and only in John 6. This is normal in this church. Normal. Any time our former church stuck in one book, they seemed to apologize for 6-8 weeks on one book of the bible. Seems funny now (not in a ha ha way).
Praying you follow the direction God would have you. It hurts to decide to leave, decide to stay and fight…and who to tell.
Thanks for the quick post. we decided to stay and watch for now as we have met with the elders and they warned us about critisizing and being accountable to God for doing that.
When I recently read Rick Warren’s comment on just serving and not studying the Word, I couldn’t believe that either as my longtime friend (in our bs group)told me earlier this summer that she just wanted to serve and not study the bible. Her sister is a member of Saddleback and she is a big follower of Women of Faith. Please pray for our study group this year as I am afraid that there will be some conflict. We are a tight group and have been together for over 10 years.
I am asking God to show me my sin and trying to stay in the word and praying for our church. I am not sure how long we will stay. We stay only now because my 88 year old widowed mom and daughter and family go there. It is obvious that staying and standing are not going to work to change unless God chooses to do a miracle!
Yes, criticizing will get you booted in most cases, after an embarrassing public discussion about you (whether your name is mentioned or not). At least that’s what happened to us, but we decided because of our children we had to leave and not drag them through the mud…and not let them be taught falsely any longer. Still, the pastor did mention us in a sermon later on and it wasn’t pretty (lies from the pit of hell). At least he didn’t mention our names! I will say that stay and listen is good to a point, but there is a time for more confrontation, a time to get booted or leave. The mode of operations in these types of churches is to try to do damage control and shut up the opposition. There were meetings with traveling speakers and staff at our former church about how to handle people who don’t agree with how things are being done. We thought this might be positive but later realized it was likely they were taught to confront us directly. We were seen as the “evil ones.”
I will pray God show you your sin, search you and know your heart and show you any wickedness within you and lead you in the way everlasting. I will pray for your church. I will pray for your family. Standing up may be one of the last things you do before getting thrown to the curb….
Thanks again. So far, we have only gone to the elders once, but in doing so have realized how ignorant they are and how snowed they are by our pastor. He has been there nearly 30 years and has quite a following. It is not up to us to convict him of his misleading..it is God’s job. It would be a big deal if we were asked to leave. We are both well known in the church as we have been active members for so long. It is amazing to us to walk out of church on Sunday am and not see hardly a person we recognize tho. The children’s ministry leader wondered last week where all the 4th graders had gone. down from near 50 to 4. Our associate pastor keeps harping on making sure we fill out the attendance slip and my friend does the count on monday and she says that there used to be just a few going off and now it takes her a couple of hours to record all the comming and mostly going. The church has also had to drastically trim their budget as the giving is so down. We keep hoping for a change because we live in a small town that is isolated from any nearby communities to find another church. A very hard position to be in. Thanks for your prayers..I appreciate them more than you know!