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		<title>Getting Here Takes Time</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this morning my husband has to work.  This means I alone get the kids ready for church.  My 6 year old, after we were about to get shoes on and go out the door, is telling me she&#8217;s ill and has taken out &#8220;the big bowl.&#8221;  So now, all my fancy dressed children are [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=797&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Well, this morning my husband has to work.  This means I alone get the kids ready for church.  My 6 year old, after we were about to get shoes on and go out the door, is telling me she&#8217;s ill and has taken out &#8220;the big bowl.&#8221;  So now, all my fancy dressed children are stuck at home with me.  We&#8217;re officially missing church.  However, I am sad.  In the early stages of switching churches, we might miss for illness, or even sleep in by accident and force ourselves to go.  We were still raw from our break with the former church, and church itself was a chore no matter how great the church.</p>
<p>We still do not feel relationally &#8220;plugged in&#8221; as most church lingo calls it these days.  We see people, they&#8217;re friendly, they pray.  The people we knew before we came to this church are connected and we can get in depth with them easily in converstation, but we&#8217;re not &#8220;in&#8221; yet.  Despite this, there&#8217;s enough there that missing is sad to me.  I really enjoy the messages/study from scripture.  The pastors really teach even more than preach in my opinion.  The people are friendly and though we&#8217;re not settled in, I know it will happen.  They serve and have offered though we&#8217;ve not taken them up on it yet.  It will take time, but they are surely going to become family.</p>
<p>So today marks an interesting moment, it&#8217;s not the social aspect drawing me&#8230;but it&#8217;s the fact that this church focuses on revealing Christ through the bible.   Every time someone stands to add membership, they say the same thing with different words.  They say this church teaches from the bible.   Most of the time they say they had been to other churches, but THIS church is different in that the pastors teach with an expository style, they do not get wrapped up in the popular but in the scriptural.  The second thing always expressed is the kindness of the people.  This is evident.  If my husband and I stand in membership, we&#8217;ll likely express the same thing.</p>
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		<title>What&#8217;s a Staff Member or Regular Server to do?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have speculated, even heard tell of people on staff or in leadership who have difficulties with things going on in our former church.  (A few have visited in our new church and it&#8217;s only speculation that they may be taking a break where they can be fed, so it&#8217;s unfair to assume they are [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=795&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I have speculated, even heard tell of people on staff or in leadership who have difficulties with things going on in our former church.  (A few have visited in our new church and it&#8217;s only speculation that they may be taking a break where they can be fed, so it&#8217;s unfair to assume they are actually having a problem with the former church).   When the focus gets off of Christ and on to seeker sensitive doctrines, or maybe veers into contemplative practices, or church is on a corporate style plan rather than into the bible, there may be staff/leadership disturbed by this problem.  What are they to do? </p>
<p>We suspect two staff members and maybe a few in leadership positions are unhappy with things at our former church based on a few clues.  First, support when we were starting the process of questioning.  This/these people listened in a different way.  One even addressed our issues directly (not at the church but with an organization our former church is still involved in).  Change did occur because of this person&#8217;s actions.  We believe this person is stuck.  There&#8217;s family to think of, uprooting kids.  In some cases, people in leadership are paid (a minister or some other type person like church administrator, accountant, etc) and have issues with how things are going.  They may confront elders/pastors directly or show strong support for the ordinary members who express frustration with teachings and influences being brought into the church.  This alone can be risky.</p>
<p>Stay or go?  People in leadership/staff positions have much to think about when the church starts to get toxic.  Should they stay and continue to provide for their family if paid by the church?    Sometimes a person who serves in children&#8217;s ministry or in adult bible study&#8230;or especially a pastor, can teach truth in a bad environment.  Though they may not intend to be &#8220;warriors&#8221; they may in fact be used to protect and train some of the sheep who find themselves seeking for some spiritual truth in a bad environment. </p>
<p>Also, the staff/leader may need to confirm what is really going on before deciding to take a stand and step out.  It&#8217;s not something to be taken lightly if their role is visible in the church.  It&#8217;s easy to fall into tempation, easy to assume too much, easy to leave in a way that does not honor Christ.  There are ways to leave without causing more harm than good.  I believe each situation is unique and requires much prayer and discussion/counsel.  Some may slip quietly out the back door of the church, others may resign and make an announcement at the pulpit (especially asking for forgiveness if they were involved in introducing bad teaching initially).  It all depends on God&#8217;s will what would be best to do.</p>
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		<title>Ooooo&#8230;We&#8217;re Studying Revelation in Sunday School</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;re doing a verse by verse of Revelations in our Sunday School classes at church.  All the children are also studying this in their classes (except the youth for some reason, I think I&#8217;ll have to find out why not because I would love for them to be on the same page as the rest [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=790&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>We&#8217;re doing a verse by verse of Revelations in our Sunday School classes at church.  All the children are also studying this in their classes (except the youth for some reason, I think I&#8217;ll have to find out why not because I would love for them to be on the same page as the rest of us but they are talking the Sermon on the Mount so that&#8217;s good too).  We&#8217;re in the sweeping overview stage right now, and so we&#8217;re not in real depth yet. </p>
<p>Despite the depth, it&#8217;s not your usual <em>yada yada yada</em> study of Revelations.  Typically, in my past, we would study this in small groups or have a quick sermon or set of sermons for a few weeks.  There was always a timeline, there was always discussion about the future.  There were even scary movies at camp.  Anyone out there subjected to those B (or C or even F) movies about the end of the world where they were cutting off people&#8217;s heads?  I recall a guy with dark hair and eyes was the main character, and as a little kid this whole thing scared me.  Kids were talking about end times and saying there were micro chips in Proctor and Gamble products. </p>
<p>With my experiences with Revelations in the past, I have avoided the book.   I did read it several times on my own as a teen/young adult, but then rarely go back to it anymore.  I thought it best for me to focus on things I could grasp better.  I heard Hank Henergraff&#8217;s more recent comments on the book, and am not sure I agree with the bits I&#8217;ve heard from him.  Is it that he believes it has ALL happened already?  Not sure, but I know he&#8217;s marketed a fictional book about it.</p>
<p>Our assistant pastor was different in his initial presentation of Revelation.  Nothing was sensationalized, there&#8217;s not an ad outside the front of the church for the series.  There was really not much announcement the study was coming.  It&#8217;s just a study like any other study, and it&#8217;s being treated as such.  We&#8217;re in the first part of the book, so I am not sure but do doubt the charts will be coming. </p>
<p>The best thing I&#8217;ve heard the pastor say, and he says he&#8217;s going to remind us over and over again, is the answer to the question, &#8220;what is being revealed in Revelations?&#8221;  Hmmmm.  How to answer this one?   He made it very clear that to find that answer you have to READ it.  Open your bible, read the first words.  You&#8217;ll find, as I did, the book&#8217;s main purpose not the future revealed, not the scary judgement revealed, and not the end times revealed.  It is the revelation of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Yet again, Christians (or so called Christians) and especially the secular world misses the point.  The point is to reveal the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.  It shows His magesty, His dominion, His sacrifice, His love, His judgement, His glory.  He is worthy.  He alone is worthy.  It&#8217;s not an oracle for us to see the future, it reveals His plans as the ruler of the universe, but it&#8217;s not about the plans.  It&#8217;s about HIM.  The pastor did such a good job explaining this, it&#8217;s shocking to me how I&#8217;ve missed the obvious all along.  How many people have died early deaths because they read too much into that book?  So many cults twist it to place their leaders into it.  So many people search the newspapers for proof they are living in some special time and that the anti-Christ is coming.  Books are sold, and men propped up.  Who is the book supposed to glorify and prop?  The Lamb that was slain, that&#8217;s who!</p>
<p>I am looking forward to getting into this book and not missing the obvious any more.</p>
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		<title>Best Way to Protect My Children</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best way to prepare and protect my children from wolves in the church is to do what I need to anyway.  I should be helping them seek Christ.  I should be giving them and understanding and respect for God&#8217;s word.  So, what can I do?  No matter what church I attend, or how great [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=788&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>The best way to prepare and protect my children from wolves in the church is to do what I need to anyway.  I should be helping them seek Christ.  I should be giving them and understanding and respect for God&#8217;s word.  So, what can I do?  No matter what church I attend, or how great the teaching is for children, my husband and I can teach them at home.   It is actually required of us as parents to train them up in the way they should go.</p>
<p>For us, though we&#8217;ve been less than consistent, it means reading scripture to them and discussing it or explaining it as we go along.  It means praying with them daily.  It means setting up times in their day to study the bible on their own.  It means using teachable moments to turn their focus on Christ and what is acceptable behavior.  It means asking forgiveness when we&#8217;ve wronged them, and modeling grace to them.  It means disciplining but also giving mercy when they really deserve the heat at times.  It means being the kind of parents God wants us to be. </p>
<p>If there is false teaching in the church, a good sign you&#8217;re doing what you are supposed to with your children would be them telling you before you get to point it out to them.  That didn&#8217;t happen in our case, but once we did begin to ask what was going on that they were uncomfortable with in church, they were able to give very amazing answers.  They mentioned the use of entertainment rather than teaching, the lack of depth when the bible story time was given, the behavior of preacher&#8217;s kids (funny, this one is a long time issue anyway), the mention of things irregular in prayer etc.  Once we started attending a church with expository teaching, our kids were able to say they actually learned more in the last 9 months there than they had at the other church for seven years.  They could point to the hymns, scripture reading in Sunday school, and the inclusion of children in the regular service as examples of why they knew more.  They also stated that sermons in the former church provided memories of the illustrations, jokes, and stories, but they couldn&#8217;t seem to remember the biblical messages.  For example, a pastor spoke about transformation in the &#8220;Red Zone.&#8221;  He did quote scripture, but what my kids recall was that he spoke of touchdowns in the end zone.  This is years later.  They cannot recall anything biblical about that.  Now they know they are reading in John and can recall the events recorded and the reasons they are important.  Big change. </p>
<p>Best way to protect my children, teach them the bible.  Plain and simple.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In speaking with those who have left, I am consistently hearing that our former pastor was confrontational to anyone who spoke up.  Now, those who left that I know well enough are all very kind people who think very carefully on their faith.  They are either hurt or are trying hard to avoid [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=787&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>In speaking with those who have left, I am consistently hearing that our former pastor was confrontational to anyone who spoke up.  Now, those who left that I know well enough are all very kind people who think very carefully on their faith.  They are either hurt or are trying hard to avoid bitterness because of how this pastor dealt with them.  I am wondering if this will come out in the survey?  If you are looking at the fruit in our former church, you will see a rotten temper with our former pastor, that is for sure.  So, if you &#8220;go deeper&#8221; with spiritual formation, this is what you get?  If it were just us, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s possible we made some mistake and maybe we rubbed him the wrong way or we perceive his behavior wrongly.  However, it&#8217;s MANY meek people who just had to speak up who are expressing a distaste for this former pastor&#8217;s attitude.  </p>
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		<title>Repeat After Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Friends, say this, &#8220;I am a living stone&#8221; and &#8220;I am a priest&#8221;
Turn to your neighbor and say, &#8220;you are my priest.&#8221; 
Congratulations pastor, you just had a sexual predator, who is not one of God&#8217;s elect say he is a living stone and declare he is someone&#8217;s priest.  There&#8217;s also a thief, a liar, and [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=780&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Friends, say this, &#8220;I am a living stone&#8221; and &#8220;I am a priest&#8221;</p>
<p>Turn to your neighbor and say, &#8220;you are my priest.&#8221; </p>
<p>Congratulations pastor, you just had a sexual predator, who is not one of God&#8217;s elect say he is a living stone and declare he is someone&#8217;s priest.  There&#8217;s also a thief, a liar, and a mother who beat her child just before service.  Even some out there are nice in our eyes, but are still sinners and have just said they are someone else&#8217;s priest.  Now, if that sexual predator has become regenerated and has turned from his wicked ways and is saved, that&#8217;s a different story.  However, making a mixed congregation repeat after you can be dangerous.  There may be a delusional person out there who now believes they are something they are not.  Scary.</p>
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		<title>I&#8217;m Getting Tired of Emotionality</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fake emotionality, I cannot stand it.  I am emotional by nature, and wear my heart on my sleeve.  Still, in church and in marketed Christianity, a wavering voice and emotional story can be used.  Sure, it&#8217;s great to hear a good testimony, but if it&#8217;s used to convince people of a lie or a compromise [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=777&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Fake emotionality, I cannot stand it.  I am emotional by nature, and wear my heart on my sleeve.  Still, in church and in marketed Christianity, a wavering voice and emotional story can be used.  Sure, it&#8217;s great to hear a good testimony, but if it&#8217;s used to convince people of a lie or a compromise in the church, it&#8217;s wrong.  I don&#8217;t know how many testimonies I&#8217;ve heard that attempt to manipulate my behavior.  It&#8217;s not just a story, it&#8217;s a prompting through emotion to support a church, to join the current program or event, to become part of a group, to go to a retreat, and on and on. </p>
<p>Sometimes people praise God through their emotional event, through their pain.  This is not what I am talking about.  I&#8217;m talking about using some of these events to promote a bad program or whatnot.  I am also talking about trumped up emotion to sell something in churches.  I hear it through television evangelists, and from the mouths of pastors.  Get &#8216;em crying and you got &#8216;em.  Well, I cry easily, but I still search scriptures.  You might get my emotions, but I don&#8217;t trust my emotions.  I trust in the Lord, I trust in His word.  Period. </p>
<p>I pray God keep me from letting my emotions lead me away from Him and the truth.</p>
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		<title>My flaws&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always check my thougths with a few people I trust when it comes to discerning what someone is up to in the church.  I seek out leadership or wise counsel because I don&#8217;t always trust my own motive when trying to figure out if somneone is right or wrong.  This is because I may [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=775&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I always check my thougths with a few people I trust when it comes to discerning what someone is up to in the church.  I seek out leadership or wise counsel because I don&#8217;t always trust my own motive when trying to figure out if somneone is right or wrong.  This is because I may have the human agenda of assuming too quickly that a leader or person is choosing evil in their error, when in fact it might be an oversight on their part.  I ask those around me if they can see the trend I&#8217;m seeing. </p>
<p>I have found though, that some people I trust don&#8217;t have open eyes for discernment.  I have lost patience at times when I continue to see problems and someone doesn&#8217;t.  I am so glad God connected my husband and me to a very wise man who keeps me in line when I question things I&#8217;ve been seeing.  He asks hard questions, challenges me, and if he can see the evidence points to what I am saying, he validates my perceptions.  However, if he doesn&#8217;t find evidence, he does caution me to be careful with assumptions.  If I didn&#8217;t have him (and his wife) through this process, I may have made even more mistakes in this process.  He bases his thoughts on what&#8217;s happening in our former church on what he sees with his eyes, what he hears people say, and if it matches with scripture.  I am so emotion based.  Sometimes I just know something is wrong but cannot figure out why.  This can be a good thing, helps me keep my distance even if I cannot see what I&#8217;m protecting myself from. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to recognize your weaknesses and seek counsel when you are in the midst of confusion in church.  It&#8217;s hard to find someone to trust, sometimes you have to look outside your church.  Look in the scriptures, pray.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve had to do.  I cannot always trust my assumptions, my feelings, my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>Marketing more?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some reason, my former church has sent out a blanket letter of &#8220;we miss you&#8221; and a link to a survey for those who have left.  At first it sounded like a sincere letter to us personally from one of the pastors, but it was evident quickly that it was just a letter they [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=773&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>For some reason, my former church has sent out a blanket letter of &#8220;we miss you&#8221; and a link to a survey for those who have left.  At first it sounded like a sincere letter to us personally from one of the pastors, but it was evident quickly that it was just a letter they sent out to a list of emails from those who have left the church.  It threw me at first, and then I began to get a bit offended.   When we left, we really got very little contact from the pastors.  One did meet with us and continued contact as long as we wanted.  He was genuinely sad we left, but the rest dropped us fast.  In fact, we recently saw one of the pastors when we popped in on friends.  The pastor and his wife were friendly enough, but if we were truly missed, there was not an expression of that.  It was awkward for both couples, we talked and were nice but what can you say?  </p>
<p>The blanket letter comes after a few others have left, and I wonder if more have left than I realize.  The survey seeks to know why people have left and how the church can pray for you&#8230;.and a few more things.  I kept feeling like it is a marketing tool when reading it.  It&#8217;s like when you choose not to use a service and they send a survey to find out why.  They don&#8217;t want to know how they&#8217;ve erred doctrinally, but want to know more logistics of things they can change.  At least that&#8217;s my take.  I could wish it were a fishing for truth&#8230;.but I cannot help to feel there is a motive other than my dreams.</p>
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		<title>Judge Not</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes I get responses to posts suggesting I am judging.  This morning, in my inbox, I received this response:  
&#8220;Just not lest you be judged.  I am shocked at how petty and self cetered you have become here.  My suggestion is that you pray to find ways to lift up Christ not tear down followers. You [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=christianlady.wordpress.com&blog=3759455&post=769&subd=christianlady&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Sometimes I get responses to posts suggesting I am judging.  This morning, in my inbox, I received this response:  </p>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small;">&#8220;Just not lest you be judged.  I am shocked at how petty and self cetered you have become here.  My suggestion is that you pray to find ways to lift up Christ not tear down followers. You serve only evil with with wicked words.&#8221;</span></div>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">to this post:  <a href="http://christianlady.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/bill-hybelsbob-buford-and-twisting-scripture/">http://christianlady.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/bill-hybelsbob-buford-and-twisting-scripture/</a></p>
<p>I am not judging Bill Hybels here, I am pointing out errors he is making.  The Bereans were commended for searching scriptures to see if teachers are speaking the truth, and we are specifically called to test the spirits.  The response is a misuse of the word &#8220;judge.&#8221;  I do not decide where Hybels spends eternity, and I am not saying he is unsaved&#8230;I do not know him personally and cannot judge him by his fruits on a daily basis.  But, his public fruit stinks in certain areas.  I can judge him by his fruits, meaning I look at the fruit and decide if what he is saying jibes with scripture.  If it does not I can point it out.  Not judging in terms of saying he is evil and going to hell, but judging in terms of saying he is in error in his teaching.</p>
<p>There are also times when we do judge the actions and can determine that someone is unsaved at this time.  Sometimes it&#8217;s very clear.  I do not again think that we are judging the person as condemned so much as looking at the fruit and knowing the tree is rotting.  There are times for pointing this out, for warning Christians of the dangers.  It&#8217;s not that we&#8217;re saying we&#8217;re better than this person or that, just that their actions show they are not following Christ.  </p>
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